logan607 ([info]logan607) wrote,
@ 2007-11-02 00:17:00
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Current location:One hour ago, getting a kiss on Columbus
Current mood: exhausted
Entry tags:church, dating, troubles

Everything



I spent the day running around Connecticut, Westchester, and then stuck for two hours on the Cross Bronx Expressway - the GPS said it would take 22 minutes. It took 2.5 hours.

Damn lying GPS.

I was rushing back because I had a church function to attend. Eventually I got there and did my thing.

Somehow, two girls and I got onto the topic of dating and I told them that I had a mental block about meeting and dating someone from church. I just feel that's sleazy somehow.

For some reason, they thought that was the one place I should be looking to meet someone.

Huh.

I then went home and got a call from a pretty lady and met her for a quick drink.

Quite a day.

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I got a few emails and comments from people saying they felt bad for me. Thanks much, but don't feel bad for me, please.

I'm good. God gave me everything.

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[info]benlbr
2007-11-02 12:36 pm UTC (link)
God wouldn't give you something he didn't think you couldn't handle.

As for the GPS, I always add 30% more time on mine, and I try not to follow it in the city, cuz it always takes me the "long" way. Mine's made from Toyota, which is supposedly one of the betters ones out there....NOT!

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[info]logan607
2007-11-02 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Regarding the first statement, I've heard that said but I (myself) don't believe it (per my fave line from the Book, Ecc 9:11). I think the purpose of life is to break you - ultimately it does.

How we live our lives before that happens, however, makes all the difference.

And regarding that GPS, damn them and their allure. Damn them all to hell...

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[info]benlbr
2007-11-02 04:28 pm UTC (link)
great passage.

and you're right, it's all about perspective. good to see that you're keeping your head above water despite the circumstances.

btw, gonna be playing in the city this weekend, if you're around.

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[info]logan607
2007-11-04 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Hey Ben, I just noticed the last part of what you wrote - shoot me an email at: logan607 at hotmail.

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[info]benlbr
2007-11-04 02:38 pm UTC (link)
haha, you suck dude. after 6pm on saturday, i don't check my email till the following sunday morning when I wake up...which is usually around 10am....but last night I was a good boy, so I woke up at 9am (which is still technically 10am in my brain cuz the of the EST, lol)

i'll save your email. my wedding budget is in the black, so we can afford to go out now, lol.

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[info]veijukka
2007-11-02 02:36 pm UTC (link)
See, in theory I tend to agree with them. I've certainly never put it into practice...I haven't been to church in a long time.

I don't think churches should be like singles bars or anything, but if you find that church to be on the right path, it's definitely a good place to meet others who share important values with you.

Which is why I never go out of my way to meet anyone in the churches here. The ELC and I don't seem to see eye to eye.

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[info]logan607
2007-11-02 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Ah, you just have to find the right church - it's hard, but doable, I think.

What is ELC?

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[info]veijukka
2007-11-02 04:34 pm UTC (link)
It's very hard. I'm decidedly picky about my churches. But I admit, I haven't been searching at all in a long time.

Evangelical Lutheran Church. I think there's more to the name, but I can't remember. All of the Lutheran churches in Reno/Sparks are ELC, and they all sound the same. There's a very corporate feel to services, and the take-home message is always the same. Support your church...you're not giving us enough money...we're not meeting our growth projections. Very off-putting.

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[info]out_of_bounce
2007-11-02 03:35 pm UTC (link)
I got a few emails and comments from people saying they felt bad for me. Thanks much, but don't feel bad for me, please.
*Note to self: stop felling bad for logan!*lol

When I use my GPS is get's me lost! I'm old fashion and like using maps and sense of direction, but that's just me:)

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[info]logan607
2007-11-02 04:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm clumsy enough without having a map to read while I'm driving.

The GPS, while far from perfect, is probably my best bet.

Love that icon!

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[info]out_of_bounce
2007-11-03 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks I love it too!! With Remembrance Day(in Canada where I'm from) and Veteran's Day(USA)coming up I thought it only appropriate:)

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[info]veijukka
2007-11-02 04:34 pm UTC (link)
I second Logan...your icon is the best! I love that picture!

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[info]out_of_bounce
2007-11-03 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks I love it too!! With Remembrance Day(in Canada where I'm from) and Veteran's Day(USA)coming up I thought it only appropriate:)

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[info]in_a_silver_bag
2007-11-02 04:29 pm UTC (link)
You'd have at least one thing in common that's important to you.

Sleazy? I guess you'd have to behave then :)

(music link doesn't work)

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[info]logan607
2007-11-02 04:57 pm UTC (link)
I always try to behave.

And thanks for letting me know about the music link - I got in late and didn't have time to test everything.

=)

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[info]kastinkerbell
2007-11-02 05:41 pm UTC (link)
A few churches here host singles events. I went to one once. The problem was that most of the people were *way* more into the religion than I was. I'm very into the faith, but not so gung-ho on the religion bit (since my particular religion has a lot of nasty nastiness to it). When I found the church that was in line with my values, most of the people were gay (hey, it helped my mom find a couple of girlfriends!).

I guess this is a long winded way of saying that I believe it's perfectly ok in principle...it just didn't work for me...and now I'm married to an agnostic/atheist (depending on when/how you ask).

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[info]logan607
2007-11-02 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Wow, I've just learned a lot about you in one comment:

a) Your mom is a lesbian
b) your husband is agnostic/atheist
c) you see religion and faith as two things - what's the difference to you (I've never thought of it that way).

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[info]kastinkerbell
2007-11-02 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Heh.

a) mom was pretty adamant that she was bi...but after my parents split, she only had relationships with other women.
b) yeah, and it was a strain at the beginning of our relationship--we figured it out
c) faith is what I believe in (there is a God who loves us, justice and right-relationship in all ways is the most important thing, etc.)...much of my faith is common to most religions....for instance: Christians, Jews, and Muslims all have faith in the same God, but their religion tells them different ways to live it, different ways to worship, different ceremonies.

It may seem odd then, that I still affiliate myself with a religion that I take issue with. I don't find this contradictory in the same way that I'm an American and love some of the founding principles of the country, yet still take issue with how things are going...and every so often think of what life would be like in a cottage in Ireland. If change will happen, it should happen from the inside. It all may become moot if I'm excommunicated, which is starting to become a likely scenario.

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[info]aranka
2007-11-03 03:21 am UTC (link)
You're mom's gay/bi? Mine just recently came out of the closet. Weird question: was she terribly dissapointed that you're not gay? (I'm assuming you're not based on the probability associated with the marraige comment, please excuse me if I'm wrong.) 'Cause mine is. Other girls' mothers ask for grandchildren, mine asks me to wear plaid.

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[info]kastinkerbell
2007-11-03 03:34 am UTC (link)
Welcome to the club! :)
Yes, I'm straight and married to a man.
My mom was not disappointed in anything about me, not even my not-so-good bits. She really wanted to be a "groovy granny" (yes, she wanted to be called granny), but she also was supportive of me when I thought I didn't want kids.

The only thing I can think of is something I saw in a documentary called "Sound and Fury" about the deaf community on the advent of cochlear implants. Many deaf parents were happy to have deaf children because they wanted to share their culture and have a special common bond with them--even though it meant a more difficult life with more challenges and judgement in the hearing world. Perhaps your mom is feeling something similar: the desire to share a common bond with you. If that is the case, maybe she just needs to be reminded that you're her daughter no matter what.

You're straight! Not that there's anything wrong with that... ;)

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[info]logan607
2007-11-03 05:18 pm UTC (link)
This is all fascinating...I cannot relate at all.

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[info]aranka
2007-11-03 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Granny. that's great. But worry not, my mother certainly loves me unconditionally, but it was clear no matter how much she tried to hide it that she was disappointed I'm straight. It's interesting you should mention the shared culture thing because I was pretty sure she was doing it to save me from a relative lifetime of bad decisions carried out for the status quo. But, that very well might be it too.

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[info]kastinkerbell
2007-11-04 12:06 am UTC (link)
Ooo. I find that status quo to be rather distasteful myself.
What if you wear plaid and Birkenstocks, drive a Subaru, and rent a U-Haul for the second date...but it's a man? Is that a clever compromise? :D

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[info]aranka
2007-11-03 03:15 am UTC (link)
GPS . . . yeah . . . does that to me too, but its better than me actually trying to find my way on my own. I'm not an ambi-turner

*grin* I think those girls like you. But yeah, IMO it is kinda sleazy to hook up with someone from church. I'm not religious myself, but cruising a house of god just kinda strikes me as yuck. (Honestly, I don't think I'd date a guy who I knew had done that for a number of reasons.) Also, if it becomes a long term thing and people ask you the inevitable, "so how did you two meet?" you quickly start looking like a loser when you answer "at church." On the other hand if you want your girl to be religious you're far more likely to find such a woman at a church than anywhere else.

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[info]logan607
2007-11-03 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I don't think so, I think they're just trying to be helpful.

Yes, I'm pretty friendly normally so I tone it *way* down for church, but my current volunteering gig requires me to be social so I try to be equal opportunity with guys and girls so no one thinks anything untoward.

Finally "at church" is still better than, "at a bar...are you familiar with Hogs 'n Heifers?"

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[info]aranka
2007-11-03 10:51 pm UTC (link)
. . . . okay well there's a hierarchy of bars . . .

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[info]sabatoa
2007-11-03 04:01 pm UTC (link)
I met Melissa at church. It wasn't like a singles bar meetup or anything weird. We were just involved in the same areas and friends came naturally from that. The rest, as they say, is history.

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[info]logan607
2007-11-03 05:22 pm UTC (link)
That sounds nice - I think I'll just play it safe and avoid any mixing for religion and extra-curricular activities for the time being.

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[info]sabatoa
2007-11-03 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Well, there's something to be said about dating people with similar religious or moral values. But hey, to each their own.

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[info]logan607
2007-11-04 01:25 pm UTC (link)
Don't get me wrong, that would be ideal. It's just a mental block thing for me.

Put me in a bar and I'm fine but in church, it's a whole different story. Too much guilt for me to chat with a girl and give/get a number.

It's the only place I feel that.

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-04 05:37 am UTC (link)
"I then went home and got a call from a pretty lady and met her for a quick drink."

- that's comforting to know :)

LY

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[info]logan607
2007-11-04 04:20 pm UTC (link)
It was, it was...

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